Burmese opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi would likely refuse to meet with US senator Jim Webb on looming visit to Burma, long-time party colleague Win Tin has said.
Webb is due to visit Burma this week as part of a regional delegation that will also take him to South Korea and Thailand. His last trip to Burma, in August 2009, secured the release of US citizen John Yettaw, who was imprisoned for swimming to Suu Kyi’s Rangoon compound.
But, said Win Tin, the visit “would not be welcome” by members of the NLD: “I do not believe that NLD general secretary Daw Aung San Suu Kyi will want to meet him also,” he added.
Webb was criticised by members of Burma’s pro-democracy movement for his inability to pressure the junta to free Suu Kyi whilst successfully bringing Yettaw back to the US.
Some also see his anti-sanctions stance as too soft on the ruling generals. Win Tin questioned whether his trip was related to murmurings in the US senate about ramping up sanctions.
“So are you going to talk about ending those sanctions again? Are you also going to give advice to the military government on ways to end the sanctions? If you do, we are not going to stand for it,” Win Tin said.
Phyo Min Thein, chairman of the Union Democratic Alliance, a party which has registered to contest the elections this year, said he will be issuing a three-point proposal to Webb similar to one presented to US assistant secretary of state, Kurt Campbell, who visited Burma earlier this month.
“If the government wants to ensure fairness, independent international experts should be brought in to monitor…the elections,” he said. “I will ask Mr Jim Webb to persuade the Burmese government to do that.”
He added that he would press Webb to urge the junta to form a transition government comprising military and civilian officials before the elections, which many regard as a sham aimed at cementing military rule in Burma.
Webb’s visit coincides with the scheduled visit to Burma by the Chinese premier, Wen Jiabao who is due to meet junta chief Than Shwe to discuss strengthening trade and cooperation. China’s foreign ministry said that bilateral trade between the two countries last year reached more than $US2.9 billion.
MPs returned to Parliament in Burma’s capital Naypyidaw
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Good Idea!
Another idea would be a nationwide strike during his stay.
For Aung San Suu Kyi to snub Sen.Webb would be a good way to let the Burmese people know that Sen.Webb is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
He may arrive as a US Senator, but his an agenda is strictly pro-junta, pro-corporate investment, and he brings only betrayal for the democratic movement in Burma.
He does NOT represent the majority of US Senators, or the citizens of the US.
To corporations worldwide, the smell of blood is strong in the air of Burma. The urban Burmese citizens, the only ones in view of the world media are doing NOTHING to protest the sham elections, and the corporate sharks are circling closer and closer knowing that once the regime succeeds in building its facade of democracy, Burma will be wide open to corporate exploitation.
At this critical turning point in the Burmese struggle for freedom, participation in the sham elections by parties such as the NDF are giving legitimacy to an illegitimate, greedy, power hungry, and vengeful military regime which will simply exchange their uniforms for Armani suits.
It is ridiculous that these so-called pro-democracy politicians think their input on behalf of the Burmese citizens will mean any more to the regime after this election, than they did after the 1990 elections.
It will be worse, they will be regime lap-dogs who must bark, sit, and roll-over when their masters command.
Behind the Bamboo curtain in the ethnic homelands there are no olive branches being offered by the regime. The only political campaigning happening there, is the ongoing campaign of brutality.
Murder, rape, extortion, torture, beatings, forced labour, and forced relocation are still the active domestic policies of the SPDC.
Villages are still being attacked, looted, and burned.
Livestock and rice stores are still being confiscated by the Burma army.
Villages, schools, and churches are still being destroyed, and innocent villagers are still being chased into the jungles to suffer, starve, and fall victim to myriad tropical diseases.
But as long as millions of Burmese citizens can turn away from such atrocities, the SPDC monsters will devour someone else’s children.
As long as Sen. Webb and foreign corporate investors can overlook the suffering of millions of Burmese ethnic minority citizens, the apathetic urban citizens will be a source of cheap labour, and Burma will remain an excellent opportunity for high corporate profits.
And, if YOU are that special kind of person who can put aside the human rights atrocities, and the ethnic, religious, and political persecution of millions of Burmese citizens behind the Bamboo Curtain, Burma will remain an excellent value as your vacation destination.
Boycott the elections Burma!
And to the readers who care about ALL of Burma’s citizens, boycott any corporations doing business in Burma.
And to citizens of all free countries, vote against any of your politicians who support the SPDC and their sham elections.
And, until such time as the Burmese citizens decide to change the name of the country from Burma to Myanmar, consider any entities which favor Myanmar over Burma as SPDC sycophants who are complicit with the regime in the atrocities which the SPDC regime has committed.
U WinTin is an old and ignorant man, without an understanding of the realities of Burmese politics. In any case, the release of Yettaw was premeditated by Shwebomin II; so was the commuting of Suu’s sentence. If DVB has real moral courage,they will not cnesor this message. A lot is going on. Whatever the decision of rump NLD, Jim Webb is irrelevant.This is 21st century.Communication with any head of state is possible without any help from any media.Yes, it is true.
Dear editor and readers,
If I were not mistaken, the defunct NLD used to denied that it did not appeal for sanctions against the regime. However, the comment made Win Tin in this news is, in fact, the same vein and there were such comments many around made by other top members. Moreover, top leaders said they did not rely on foreign power. However, what they occasionally spitted out carried the same stuff. Recently Win Tin lamented that the foreign governments were lenient punishing the regime and asked to put pressure harder. As long as he stick hardline stance, he will never have a chance to represent the people of Myanmar. He should start researching how other strong, cohesive, and resourceful military regimes in the world have changed to democracy. Win Tin’s influence over the militant youth would prolong the suffering of the people unnecessarily. He will pass away within one or two decades without any contribution to the welfare of the people and reconciliation. However, I don’t worry that much since I learned that there are new leaders emerging in Myanmar political stage and I am sure they understand how to m the military now and in the long run. I respectfully suggest Win Tin to meditate over the wisdom of Saya Dagon Taya’s “Politic is making enemy friends” and ” I have no haters and enemies, but lovers.”
with metta,
Nyunt Shwe
it will be good lesson for american if daw su kyi refuse to meet meet them, it will be much more better if daw su kyi can meet chinese premier wen, he can do something for burmese people if he wish.
Losers never afraid to lose again.
ko lay says:
it will be good lesson for american if daw su kyi refuse to meet meet them, it will be much more better if daw su kyi can meet chinese premier wen, he can do something for burmese people if he wish.
THIS IS REALLY FUNNY.
What has the woman got to offer to the Chinese the regime cannot offer? Mind boggles!Funny,hee,hee,hee.
Poor boy Ko Lay.Why doesn’t go get an education?
Military intervention is only way to end this regime.
I don’t see China, India, and Thailand, or any other country doing business in Burma as a problem. The problem is that they are doing business with the SPDC which steals the resources, sells them cheap, and then pockets the lion’s share of the proceeds of the sales.
Just because Burma’s neighbors are doing business in plain sight with the SPDC, doesn’t mean they would not do business with a free Burma.
Look at all of the countries which were happily and profitably doing under-the-table business with Saddam Hussein, while the oil profits paid for the weapons he used to control and persecute his people, and threaten regional stability. Will those same
countries refuse to do business with a free Iraq?
If Burma is someday free, like Iraq, the customers of the former dictators would just have to pay prices in line with market prices for what they buy.
At question is the pipe-dream that the SPDC regime is going to simply
give-away their vast collection of Golden Egg-Laying gooses to the Burmese people.
Along with the the confiscation of farmlands which are converted to non-edible cash crops and worked by forced labourers, and the confiscation of lumber, natural resources, and even the water in the rivers, there are so many illegitimate sources of profit and extortion available to the SPDC and the Burma army, that there are very few (IF ANY) reasons for them to ever change their ways.
Just the opposite, after they legitimize their rape of Burma by holding their sham election, and build their puppet democracy facade, they will have even more options to exploit Burmese labor and natural resources.
The election results will be rubber stamped by free world
countries who will take the fact that the Burmese people did not protest or boycott the elections as a sign that they accept their new government.
But what could the Burmese people possibly expect from the SPDC and its puppets after the election?
That they are going to simply stop raping Burma’s resources, share the wealth with the impoverished Burmese citizens, and stop enslaving and persecuting its ethnic minority peoples?
This is the religion of the SPDC we are talking about here, greed, power, political, ethnic, and religious persecution.
The SPDC economic programs behind the Bamboo Curtain are not only lucrative, they also serve the SPDC agenda of inflicting lifelong punishment and revenge upon the Burmese ethnic minorities.
Do the lives of the ethnic minorities simply become assets of the new “disciplined flourishing democracy” after the elections?
The sad and scary part of all of this is the apathy and ignorance of those who have allowed their country to sink to these depths of human despair.
The few grow wealthy through brutality and corruption, while the many suffer varying degrees of poverty, often sacrificing those below them to scratch their way a little higher on the pyramid.
The Burmese people need to acknowledge and take responsibilty for the ethnic minority citizens who are continuously suffering and dying.
They need to begin denouncing the fact that the ethnic homelands are being laid to ecological waste, and that villages, schools, churches and livelyhoods are being destroyed.
They need to demand that the government begins allowing INGO’s to help stop rampant diseases and malnutrition which kill hundreds of thousands every year.
The Burmese people need to unite to make it clear to the SPDC and whatever puppet government which they spawn that the horrible suffering of millions of their fellow Burmese citizens can no longer be an acceptable waste factor of SPDC greed and revenge.
I think it would be highly
appropriate for the people of Burma to begin seeing the forced labour, the use of disease, brutality, starvation, and human rights atrocities committed against the Burmese ethnic minority communities as SPDC
experiments in population control and human
exploitation for the Burma of the future.
Dear U Tin,
Pls understand national interest words, every time everythings is always oppositive, how affect sanction is for young people, u’re old enough live in this world.
U WinTin is an old, ignorant and deluded man.He is a journalist. So what? Journalists are those with power to brainwash people without any accountability. Just because he is against the SPDC regime, it does not make him a worthy person of Burma. He has slave mentality; he wants other countries to sort out our mess.NO!We Burmese will sort out our own problems.
The likes of U WinTin are known as, in Burmese, ‘sunkonemyaylay’;all hot airs and no brain.It takes generations for a country to develop. We need good laws, delivered by an efficient legal system;we need thinkers; we need brilliant economists; we need good civil service; and we need armed forces loyal to King and Country.We need scientists and engineers,skilled workers, doctors and nurses, regulated commercial banks, a central bank runned bu experienced and educated people; we need professional bodies etc. etc. Who can build these institutions and fabric of society? Certainly not U WinTin,Mrs. Michael Aris, or NLD.They are blinded by lust for power. If they have any intelligence and integrity, they should have put the need of the country before their own lust for power. They should have co-operated with the SPDC, not with that usurper woman.
U WinTin has cognition problem with the term national interest.
He has no future. He should meditate like a good Buddhist and prepare for the life after.
For Burma, the way forward is unity, intelligence and hard work.
Nothing else will.
Good Idea. Since she met Kurt Cambell and she might has nothing to say or not interested to see Jim Webb.
@Burmese People,you’re a real Maha Burman minded guy.Pl.,don’t use the word Burmese, use Burman. I’m not Burman but I respect Daw Suu’s sacrifice for our country.Did u have any good historical milestone? Can u sacrifice like her? Maybe u got money from the junta for that artical.Ha!!!
@Burmese People,
I hope u can answer this question.
Did u spend any money(donation) for the people of the country like Daw Suu did with her Noble Peace price $1.3 million???
To Salai Amyo,
We don’t know what kind of name yours is. Is it Burmese? Doubt it.
Our leader, our king HM King Schwebominn II sents thousands of pounds (Sterling)from Europe; His Majesty’s own money to the Burmeese refugees starting in 1988. His Majesty also send moneis to Dona Johnson, an English young woman to help her renew her visa in Thailand; it cost a few hundred pounds each time to cover travelling and other expenses too. You can check out with Burmese Relief Centre if it still exists. Also the students of ANSDF know about His Majesty very well; HM was known as Shwebomintha or Bo Mintha.
We are very aware of the disunity amongst even the exiled Burmese. His Majesty gave peter Limbin audience in London. Also HM gave audience to the late U WinAung, who was Burmese ambassador to the Court of St. James’s.
When, where and how did the traitor woman give that $1.3 million to the Burmese people? Prove it! In any case, she did not earn the money. Alfred Nobel created the dynamite. Do youknow that?
Did she give any money of HER OWN to anyone as an act of charity? Prove it! We can prove how our king HM King Shwebomin is involved in educational and charitable activies. Why don’t you just google Shwebomin or Schwebomin.
Your heroine SuuKyi is BuuByi to us. She will be consigned to oblivion. She is a NOTHING!A mere Oxford housewife.
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bigcat says:
Military intervention is only way to end this regime.
PRECISELY!
That is what the Burmese military is doing. It has done it for more than 40 years.
FIRST; it had to do it because of Panglong, the timebomb left behind by the coloniser.It was aimed at disintegrating Burma. Military coup of 1962 was very sadly a necessity.
Sadly, because NeWin (ShuMaung) was an ignorant thug. But he was clever enough, with primitive intelligence, to take control by using the military organisation. He stupidity lied in his choice of socialism as an ideology. But really, in the name of socialism, using the term ‘Ludu, meaning people’, he robbed us all and squandered our resources aboard. He left behind a terrible legacy – of ignornace and poverty.
HAD BURMA adopted free market, or even,right-wing policies like Greece, Brazil, Argentina etc, democracy would have arrived many moons ago. Look at Spain!After General Franco, ( a wise man) Spain is a democracy with monarchy. That is the model for Burma!
So second mulitary intervention took place in 1988. If there was no military intervention, Burma would have ended up a completely ‘failed state’; can anyone imagine how regional stability would have been severely damaged and external powers would muscle in.
Only our king HM King Shwebomin II sensed that it was a regime change, takeover by the new military.
THE THIRD PHASE of military intervention is NOW. Holding the elections.
Why has everyone anti-junta been blind to the 1990 election results; just work out ‘number of votes per seat’. If you have more than 2 brain cells, you will be able unrevel it; the elections were fradulent in favour of the NLD because our people sadly admire the traitor woman, not knowing how the ex-coloniser had manipulated the internatioal media.
Make no mistake. We will expose her and all her stooges and supporters.
WE KNOW THE TRUTH.
We must unite, co-operate with the junta, send the soldiers back to the barracks, create a workable and just legal system, promulgate good and humane laws. We can do that under the guidance of our king HM King Shwebomin II, not under anyone.
We consider anyone who fails to support our king is a traitor.
FOR KING AND COUNTRY,for our heritage, hsitory, culture and religion, we will fight and fight until we win – for the good of all Burma; for ONE PEOPLE, ONE NATION, ONE STATE!
To Salai Amyo,
“Salai Amyo says:
@Burmese People,you’re a real Maha Burman minded guy.Pl.,don’t use the word Burmese, use Burman. I’m not Burman but I respect Daw Suu’s sacrifice for our country.Did u have any good historical milestone? Can u sacrifice like her? Maybe u got money from the junta for that artical.Ha!!!”
1. You are being personal.
2. who are you to tell us Burmese what to use?
3. For your own self respect, study real Burmese hsitory seriously, if you are that interested in Burma.
4. Otherwise, do not meddle in our affairs. We do not meddle in your personal or your country’s affiars. We don’t knwo which country you belong to; may be you are an immigrant in a Western country. You have no role to play in our Burma’s affairs.
5. All indigenous people of Burma are Burmese. As we have already explained, Burmese or Bamar is derived from Brahma, a god of Hinduism.
6. That traitor woma BuuByi is totally ignorant of Burma’s hsitory.
7. We are all for one and one for all!
WE WILL CONTINUE TO STRUGGLE FOR REAL DEMOCRACY AND HUMAN RIGHT.
Do not abuse us just because we do not blindly attact the Burmese regime. We understand how political systems evolve. We study the world, not just Burma.
Remember that, please.
LOOK AT THE PICTURE VERY CAREFULLY.
Analyse the body language.
Who is the arrogant one?
Who is the diplomatic one?
Come on people. Wake up. Open your minds. You will begin to see the truth.
“Burmese People” is a caricature of arrogance.
Disrespecting Aung San Suu Kyi, the elected leader of Burma, by cynically referring to her as “Mrs. Michael Aris”, “that usurper woman”, and “blinded with lust for power” gives us a pretty good indication of his equal disrespect for the “Burmese People” who elected her.
I can’t argue his points that Burma needs good laws, brilliant economists, skilled workers, doctors, nurses, etc, etc.
But as for Burma needing “armed forces loyal to King and Country”, Burma is NOT a monarchy, therefore what Burma, and the “Burmese People” need is an armed forces which is loyal to the *leader of the government which the “Burmese People” democratically elected in 1990.(*Aung San Suu Kyi)
The Burmese monarchy ended when the Burmese King (read final Burmese King, as in LAST Burmese King) abdicated his throne and surrendered his country to Great Britain.
*Note to DVB, please begin posting the country of origin of the comments, it would help all readers to differentiate between the comments of Burmese expats living overseas in the lap of democracy, from those who are Burmese citizens living in Burma under the burden of SPDC dictators.
I belong to Chin indigenious people of Burma, still living in Burma working my own business.But I’m ready to leave Burma now.
I’m one of the persons who was sentenced for three years in Insein jail when I was studying my fourth year civil major in RIT in 1974.
I never heard about the name HM king schwebomin2 in true Burmese history as ur saying. Please do not emphasize untruthful history u junta always used.
Do u mean that Bama people worshipped Hindu god in the time of Tagong khitt, if the word was derived from a god of Hinduism???
Don’t worry u will see soon or later how Daw Suu donated.I saw that with my two-eyes.
U say, we will continue to struggle for real democracy and human right…how and When??? with using heavy weapons,killing, raping,force laboring, burning their houses etc. innocent people in the boundery areas??? Since last a few days, u junta had been starting a mew chater to kill minor child who doesn’t want to go-in to the military service.
Burmese People, sadly u authorized persons ignored all of those things.But your comments are mouthpieces of the junta, doing as other communist and dictators countries.
Salai Amyo said:
“I never heard about the name HM king schwebomin2 in true Burmese history as ur saying. Please do not emphasize untruthful history u junta always used.”
Firstly, the “HM King Shwebomin II”, referred to by his groupie “Burmese People” aka “Myanmar Patriot4 UMPF”, has certainly never been crowned King of Burma. Self-described as “His Royal Highness Crown Prince Shwebomin”, he is apparently a London socialite and businessman who is a Burmese expat posing as a pretender to the throne of Burma, which as everyone in Burma knows, no longer exists.
After Googling his name, I found that many links to his interviews listed at Google are broken (or cancelled?), as are the links to Shwebomin’s own “Royal Burma Society”. You would have a better chance of opening links to the Burmese Cat Society.
What I also found was that other than those who take his claims at face value, there are no historians or genealogists who accept him as a legitimate heir to throne of Burma. And it is not because they did not request that he submit details of his ancestry so that they could properly place him in his alledged family line.
I went so far as to email Christopher Buyers in Great Britain, whose ROYALARK website is well known for his extensive research of the genealogies of the Royal and ruling houses of Africa, Asia, Oceania and the Americas.
http://www.royalark.net/Burma/burma.htm
In fact, Mr Buyers’ genealogy of the Konbaung Dynasty alone, from which “Shwebomin” claims his ancestry, is 19 pages long.
http://www.royalark.net/Burma/konbaun1.htm
When asked about “Crown Prince Shwebomin” Mr Buyers replied:
“The so called Shwebomin is a complete hoax who has been doing the European pretender party circuit for years. Sometime ago several people, including myself, who were interested in Royal genealogy asked him to provide his ancestry. He never provided anything despite several requests. Whenever questioned, his explanations always sounded very shifty and he would dissappear for a while.”
Just as someone claiming to have a work of art by Leonardo DaVinci, Van Gogh, or Rembrandt would have to prove its provenance before it would be accepted by the art world, someone claiming to be royalty has to do more than simply make their claim.
Considering that Shwebomin has refused to cooperate with genealogists, he must either have something to hide, or nothing to show. Since no one posting from Burma has ever heard of him, I was not surprised to hear that he was unwilling to reveal any details of his alledged ancestry.
In the few interviews with the alledged “Crown Prince” which were still available online, I found that his explanations as regards the dates and circumstances surrounding his leaving Burma were often contradictory (sometimes referred to as his being exiled, other times referred to as leaving in order to gain his education in Great Britain).
There were even two online video interviews on a British program called “The Defining Moment”, one titled “Leadership and Selflessness” and the other “Power vs. Moral Authority”. In both segments he rambled on as if he had been recognised as Burmese royalty prior to his being “exiled” in order to avoid being used by the military regime.
His comments alluded that he has been raised-up from boyhood to be the King Of Burma someday. Yet his comments as regards Burma showed very little knowledge of the issues faced by Burmese citizens, nor any empathy for the millions of Burmese ethnic minority citizens persecuted and enslaved by the regime.
In fact, he described Nelson Mandella as his ideal of a selfless leader for having endured 27 years in prison, instead of Burmese Nobel Laureate Aung San Suu Kyi, the democratically elected leader of BURMA, who has spent most of the last 2o years either in prison or under house arrest IN BURMA. And, in what I can only see as contempt for the Burmese citizens who elected her as their leader in 1990, during the two half-hour long programs he never once mentioned Daw Suu, and was mostly supportive of the regime. If anything, his comments regarding what his inputs would be as the King of Burma, seemed to be based on some sort of utopian best case scenario where all of Burma’s problems of political, economic, ethnic, and religious oppression and government corruption had already been solved, at which point the citizens of Burma would then see the absolute necessity to reinstate the monarchy and crown him as His Majesty King Shwebomin.
Realistically speaking, he probably has an equal or perhaps better chance of becoming the King of England.
After watching the videos, I came away with the impression that the whole “Crown Prince” sham is simply a psycological condition, some sort of royalty envy syndrome which he uses to elevate his social position in Great Britain and Europe where he likes to gravitate towards assemblies of other royalty posers like himself.
It seemed apparent that he knows there is no possibility of his ever being taken seriously by anyone in Burma, and I think that if Shwebomin’s bluff was ever called, and he were to be asked to return to Burma, he would at once suffer urinary incontinence, and then quickly retire to Monaco or Zurich.
I have received permission from The Defining Moment to transcribe and post the content of the two video interviews, and I may submit them to DVB for publishing so that everyone can meet Crown Prince Shwebomin up close and personal, and separate the man from the myth.
I agree 100% with this comment” Sen.Webb is a wolf in sheep’s clothing”
He may arrive as a US Senator, but his an agenda is strictly pro-junta, pro-corporate investment, and he brings only betrayal for the democratic movement in Burma.
@ Garrett. Thanks for the info about shwebomin. I’ve been googling about him and this is the most comprehensive info I’ve come across so far.
Have been puzzling about this man’s true figure since he created his fan page on fb as “crown prince shwebomin of Burma” recently.